Conor said he IS NOT a socialist, just very liberal. There’s no denying that he’s one of the more liberal presidents in recent memory.

And his approval ratings are the same, if not lower, as Bush’s at this point in Bush’s presidency.

Just address the points made in the article. Stop trying to turn the discussion into a debate about Bush, North Korea, health care, etc., etc.

Again, you miss the point. This is not about if these people are going to vote for Obama in 2012 -in fact I don’t even mention the next 3 1/2 years on purpose. It is about the communication problem Obama is having here and now.

Next, arguing that events in the eight months of Bush’s term defined his Presidency for eight years, and then saying that eight months into Obama’s term isn’t enough to judge him doesn’t make logical sense.

I didn’t “call” anything except the current state of public opinion.

@Conor To me it is relevant. If North Korea could hit us with a nuclear tipped missile id be right up there with all the other hawks in Washington calling for possible military intervention. However, as of right now, NK is a regional problem which is why we need the 6 party talks so they can all work it out. He hasn’t failed on NK, hes being pragmatic.

Secondly, the man has been in office 8 months. 8 years ago the tragedy of september 11th was less then a week old and that would define the Bush administration for the next 7 1/2 years. Assuming Obama is only in office for 3 1/2 more that’s still plenty of time to get stuff done. It’s like calling a close football game before the first quarter is even over. And as for concerns about “unprecedented government takeover” once again http://contexts.org/socimages/2009/07/07/agenda-setting-and-obamas-socialist-leanings/.

Did you fail to see that my article was explaining how what Obama did was * perceived* rather than what has actually been done?

The entire premise (and ending) of the article is about if the American people have come to believe what campaign McCain had warned them: risky foreign policy, irresponsible government and an extreme agenda – aka “he’s too radical for America”

Whether or not you think North Korea can actually hit us with a missile is completely irrelevant.

But Conor didn’t use it this way anyway, so there’s no need to debate it. He only mentioned that Obama did nothing. Regardless of the level of the threat (which we disagree on anyway), Obama could have and should have done SOMETHING.

NK test fired 6 missiles on July 4. 5 short range SCUD types that were a success but have been in NK’s arsenal for a while(basically not a surprise to anyone that they worked). The missile I’m referring to is the one that the fear mongers on the right keep referencing as “being able to hit the US”. It failed spectacularly after about 40 seconds of flight time (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/04/korea.missile/) Known as the Taepodong-2, NK has tested this missile on several occasions and each time it has failed within the first minute of launch. Now while I find NK’s pursuit of long range ballistic missiles troubling, misrepresenting the threat of a US strike as imminent does nothing except feed unnecessary fear. North Korea can barely get this missile off the ground without it blowing up…much less put a sophisticated multi-ton nuclear warhead on it.