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		<title>By: Colin MacDonald</title>
		<link>http://thepoliticizer.com/2009/10/23/sieff-the-useful-illusion-of-majority-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-5801</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Most of the founding fathers were vaguely deistic, not as Christian as people like to make them sound. They were only even nominally Christian because the uprising of a heathen colony would have been easier to crush with the help of the God-crazy Europeans. Having worked in government offices, I can assure you the vast majority of politicians at all levels are well-intentioned, intelligent, underpaid, and woefully overworked. Of course &quot;Exhausted Congressman Still Fighting Tooth and Nail for Constituents&quot; doesn&#039;t make a good headline on Fox News, so you&#039;ll never hear that story, and when you do, you&#039;ll cast it aside as campaign material or propaganda.

2) I entirely agree with the existence of the electoral college. My only qualm with the 2000 election is miscounting of the votes within Florida. We are a nation of 50 republics in a perpetual federation, not a unitary autocracy, and I&#039;m very happy about that.

3) The rights of a minority are not taken to the absurd extreme. Protection of the minority can only be asserted in court when there is a legitimate constitutional basis for the claim. We established a constitution and quickly added a bill of rights to ensure that protection in specific instances. The rights of the minority are in no way absolute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Most of the founding fathers were vaguely deistic, not as Christian as people like to make them sound. They were only even nominally Christian because the uprising of a heathen colony would have been easier to crush with the help of the God-crazy Europeans. Having worked in government offices, I can assure you the vast majority of politicians at all levels are well-intentioned, intelligent, underpaid, and woefully overworked. Of course &#8220;Exhausted Congressman Still Fighting Tooth and Nail for Constituents&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make a good headline on Fox News, so you&#8217;ll never hear that story, and when you do, you&#8217;ll cast it aside as campaign material or propaganda.</p>
<p>2) I entirely agree with the existence of the electoral college. My only qualm with the 2000 election is miscounting of the votes within Florida. We are a nation of 50 republics in a perpetual federation, not a unitary autocracy, and I&#8217;m very happy about that.</p>
<p>3) The rights of a minority are not taken to the absurd extreme. Protection of the minority can only be asserted in court when there is a legitimate constitutional basis for the claim. We established a constitution and quickly added a bill of rights to ensure that protection in specific instances. The rights of the minority are in no way absolute.</p>
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		<title>By: Old &#38; Decrepit</title>
		<link>http://thepoliticizer.com/2009/10/23/sieff-the-useful-illusion-of-majority-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-5795</link>
		<dc:creator>Old &#38; Decrepit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin: Missed your &quot;outstanding Issues&quot;

1) Yeah, but they didn&#039;t mean for it to go to a god-denying, short sighted, pin-headed elite guild of non-working professional philosopher Gods, did they?

2) I am well aware this isn&#039;t a democracy. The left spat about the obsolescence of the Electoral College in 2000. I&#039;m glad we still had it. CNN had to be reminded of it&#039;s place, and all that.

3)Minority &quot;rights&quot; extended to an absurd extreme will return us to a monarchy. Each man is a minority of one. If I were forced to choose the lesser tyranny, tyranny of the majority is much more palatable than tyranny of the minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin: Missed your &#8220;outstanding Issues&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Yeah, but they didn&#8217;t mean for it to go to a god-denying, short sighted, pin-headed elite guild of non-working professional philosopher Gods, did they?</p>
<p>2) I am well aware this isn&#8217;t a democracy. The left spat about the obsolescence of the Electoral College in 2000. I&#8217;m glad we still had it. CNN had to be reminded of it&#8217;s place, and all that.</p>
<p>3)Minority &#8220;rights&#8221; extended to an absurd extreme will return us to a monarchy. Each man is a minority of one. If I were forced to choose the lesser tyranny, tyranny of the majority is much more palatable than tyranny of the minority.</p>
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		<title>By: Old &#38; Decrepit</title>
		<link>http://thepoliticizer.com/2009/10/23/sieff-the-useful-illusion-of-majority-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-5785</link>
		<dc:creator>Old &#38; Decrepit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conor?

I&#039;m not arguing semantics. I proved I was no anti-Semitic by looking up shyster. I&#039;ll take an apology.


Ref? I got him on the shyster thing, no? And the constitutional stuff IS all arguable, isn&#039;t it?

How about this, lefties:&quot; Scalia and Thomas and Roberts, Oh my!(ala  Dorothy), Scalia and Thomas and Roberts, oh my! repeat...

Let&#039;s go do green instead of fighting about who won(I think I did and you think you did, and like in youth soccer today: Everybody won!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conor?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not arguing semantics. I proved I was no anti-Semitic by looking up shyster. I&#8217;ll take an apology.</p>
<p>Ref? I got him on the shyster thing, no? And the constitutional stuff IS all arguable, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>How about this, lefties:&#8221; Scalia and Thomas and Roberts, Oh my!(ala  Dorothy), Scalia and Thomas and Roberts, oh my! repeat&#8230;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s go do green instead of fighting about who won(I think I did and you think you did, and like in youth soccer today: Everybody won!)</p>
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		<title>By: Colin MacDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O&amp;D,

To make things easier to respond to, I&#039;ll make you a short list of outstanding issues:

+ The Founding Fathers made sure not to give the people direct control of government.
+ A constitutional republic is not the same as a democracy, we are the former, not the latter.
+ The judiciary&#039;s role includes the protection of the minority against the whimsical majority.

Please respond to these points so that we may debate the issue proposed in the original article. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O&amp;D,</p>
<p>To make things easier to respond to, I&#8217;ll make you a short list of outstanding issues:</p>
<p>+ The Founding Fathers made sure not to give the people direct control of government.<br />
+ A constitutional republic is not the same as a democracy, we are the former, not the latter.<br />
+ The judiciary&#8217;s role includes the protection of the minority against the whimsical majority.</p>
<p>Please respond to these points so that we may debate the issue proposed in the original article. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah Baron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah Baron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O&amp;D --

I&#039;m not sure in what world you think you &quot;won&quot; this debate. You have yet to respond to any of my actual points and instead insist on arguing about semantics.

Your ignorance of basic American history and constitutional thought is quite evident here -- and is likely why you have yet to say anything in response except joke about anti-Semitism and avoid any actual discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O&#038;D &#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure in what world you think you &#8220;won&#8221; this debate. You have yet to respond to any of my actual points and instead insist on arguing about semantics.</p>
<p>Your ignorance of basic American history and constitutional thought is quite evident here &#8212; and is likely why you have yet to say anything in response except joke about anti-Semitism and avoid any actual discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Old &#38; Decrepit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old &#38; Decrepit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noah: Once I got you on &quot;shyster&quot; (didn&#039;t plan it, it just happened) your pants were down. That was ugly--a 4 pointer for me for the match! But it was fun; let&#039;s go do the &quot;Green movement&quot; shall we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noah: Once I got you on &#8220;shyster&#8221; (didn&#8217;t plan it, it just happened) your pants were down. That was ugly&#8211;a 4 pointer for me for the match! But it was fun; let&#8217;s go do the &#8220;Green movement&#8221; shall we?</p>
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		<title>By: Noah Baron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah Baron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS
Not everything I say is a mere regurgitation of what I learned in class. I do have a mind of my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS<br />
Not everything I say is a mere regurgitation of what I learned in class. I do have a mind of my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah Baron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah Baron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Sweetest O&amp;D:

You didn&#039;t rebut my post -- you only argued semantics. The &quot;rights era,&quot; I term I used for convenience, is meant to denote the rapid expansion of rights protected by the Constitution under the Warren Court. Hopefully that clarifies things.

With fondest thoughts,
Noah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Sweetest O&#038;D:</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t rebut my post &#8212; you only argued semantics. The &#8220;rights era,&#8221; I term I used for convenience, is meant to denote the rapid expansion of rights protected by the Constitution under the Warren Court. Hopefully that clarifies things.</p>
<p>With fondest thoughts,<br />
Noah</p>
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		<title>By: Old &#38; Decrepit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old &#38; Decrepit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Noah:

From yours: &quot;“rights era” of the Supreme Court only began in 1953 with the Warren Court, and ended, at the very latest, in 1986.&quot; I guess this is the part where you think I ignored your post. I didn&#039;t take that class, and if I had I would&#039;ve probably fought with the professor about 1/2 the time  and got a &quot;C&quot;. 

As I pointed out (with extreme irony) in my overlapping post, I find it curious that there is any &quot;era&quot; labeled a &quot;rights era&quot; that IS A SUBSET of the history of SCOTUS the rest of which was NOT a rights era. Pisses me off.

There. I&#039;ve rebutted with extreme unction all of your post. 

Effectively.

I&#039;m waiting to hear from ART on intentionality, He&#039;s probably still at class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Noah:</p>
<p>From yours: &#8220;“rights era” of the Supreme Court only began in 1953 with the Warren Court, and ended, at the very latest, in 1986.&#8221; I guess this is the part where you think I ignored your post. I didn&#8217;t take that class, and if I had I would&#8217;ve probably fought with the professor about 1/2 the time  and got a &#8220;C&#8221;. </p>
<p>As I pointed out (with extreme irony) in my overlapping post, I find it curious that there is any &#8220;era&#8221; labeled a &#8220;rights era&#8221; that IS A SUBSET of the history of SCOTUS the rest of which was NOT a rights era. Pisses me off.</p>
<p>There. I&#8217;ve rebutted with extreme unction all of your post. </p>
<p>Effectively.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m waiting to hear from ART on intentionality, He&#8217;s probably still at class.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah Baron</title>
		<link>http://thepoliticizer.com/2009/10/23/sieff-the-useful-illusion-of-majority-rule/comment-page-1/#comment-5767</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah Baron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because the definition of &quot;shyster&quot; doesn&#039;t involve the word &quot;Jewish&quot; doesn&#039;t mean that you&#039;re innocent of anti-semitism.

Way to not respond at all to my post, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because the definition of &#8220;shyster&#8221; doesn&#8217;t involve the word &#8220;Jewish&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean that you&#8217;re innocent of anti-semitism.</p>
<p>Way to not respond at all to my post, though.</p>
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